Thursday, November 7, 2019

The Off-Road View


I've more or less finished organizing my notes for my next book. This one will be about the experience of going off the derech from the point of view of the formerly frum. While there are several books about the experience of the frum family and friends of those who have gone off the derech , and several books focusing on anecdotes from those who have gone off to derech, to the best of my knowledge, there are none like this one: a book that explores the aggregate experience of losing one's belief in frumkeit.

One of the main purposes of this book is the counter the insulting stereotypes held in the frum world of those who “question” and/or go OTD. While this book will not address specific arguments for or against Orthodoxy or religion in general, it will address the insulting and/or guilt driven “arguments” and accusations leveled at those who challenge Orthodoxy’s tenets. Most prominent among these is the taivos canard, the charge the people fool themselves into thinking that they don't believe in frumkeit in order to excuse their throwing off the ol hatorah and wallowing in their taivos.
This book will show that those who leave frumkeit can be and are reasonable, rational people who have come to reasonable, rational conclusions, and that they're leaving is the consequence of those conclusions.

The following is a short chapter-by-chapter summary of the book as I have it planned out. I would appreciate any feedback, especially if you notice something I've forgotten to include.

Working title:

Reasonable Doubts:
Going Off The Derech
The Off-Road View

(It's a bit clunky, and I'm open to suggestions.)

Introduction
A little bit about me; why I'm writing this book; introduces the concept of skepticism.

Chapter 1: Reasonable Doubts
Defines off the derech; explores the common perception in the frum world that people who question / go OTD are broken; explains that Judaism is not obviously correct, disagreeing with its tenets can be a reasonable position to take, and people really do sincerely disagree with them; makes the point the being frum is reasonable, and there are many good reasons why someone might be frum, but the obvious truth of Orthodox Judaism is not one of them.

Chapter 2: The Taivos Canard
The taivos canard = the assertion the people only go off the derech because they're hedonistic cretins looking for excuses to throw off the ol hatorah and wallow in their taivos.

Defines the canard and provides some examples of it in use; explorers variations of the canard; addresses the cliché that, “you can be a slave to God or to your taivos”; looks at the direction of causality: do people disbelieve because they want to do aveiros, or do they do aveiros because once they disbelieve there's no reason not to; and cites cases of people who continue to observe mitzvos for some time after ceasing to believe in the Torah just in case their doubts were the yetser hara trying to fool them.

Chapter 3: Nogeia B'dovor
Explores the faulty logic, including the Fundamental Attribution Error and Bulverism, that causes people to dismiss questions and issues raised by OTDers as, “tierutzim, not kashas.” Looks at the process of coming to reasoned conclusions and what role, if any, the motivations of the person presenting the argument have evaluating soundness of an argument.

Chapter 4: Who Are You To Question?!
You're an ignoramus! (I posted part of this in the past)
Explorers the argument from the gedolim: Gadol x surely thought of your questions and he believed! Do you think you're smarter than gadol x?!
Discusses the extent and type of knowledge one needs to have in order to reasonably come to a conclusion about a subject.

Chapter 5: Losing Faith
Descriptions of various experiences on the journey to disbelief drawing on various people’s personal accounts; what it's like to realize that once deeply held beliefs now appear untenable; the pain that often accompanies the experience - in contrast to the popular perception of someone flippantly throwing off the ol hatorah; and how there is usually a fundamental shift in the way one perceives frumkeit.

Chapter 6: To Leave Or Not To Leave
Describes various experiences of leaving the frum community drawing on various people’s personal accounts; explores the factors that result in people leaving or staying in the community; the failure of one-size-fits-all Judaism; other ways to be Jewish and Orthodoxy's perception of itself as the default; LGBTQ issues; Modernity and religion as a choice: far from being a sign of being broken, in modernity, leaving frumkeit has been the norm.

Chapter 7: Emotion Vs. Intellect
Explores the false dichotomy between “emotional reasons” and “intellectual reasons” for disbelief. Refutes the notion that only purely dispassionate intellectualism can provide valid reasons to leave frumkeit, and the corollary, that any hint of emotion on the part of the OTDer invalidates any intellectual arguments he may cite. Cites the research on people's stated reasons for disbelief, and debunks the overused rejoinder to intellectual questions: fun ah kasha sharbt min nisht!

Chapter 8: Comfortable-dox
Explores the role of culture, community, and familiarity people's day-to-day practice of Judaism as opposed to the influence of abstract theology.

Chapter 9: Off-Roading
Explores the process and experience of leaving the frum community; the stages that most people go through; life “in the closet”; the painfulness and cost that often accompanies leaving - and the stress associated with any major life change; and why many who leave have a continued interest in the frum world.

Chapter 10: Maintaining Relationships
Discusses ways in which frum and OTD people can maintain relationships; the importance of mutual respect despite profound disagreement; genuine relationships versus relationships for the sake of kiruv; navigating differing values and standards; and how couples in which one spouse is frum and the other not might make it work.

Chapter 11: The Baby And The Bathwater
Addresses this often heard cliché; looks at what exactly is baby and what is bath water; and explores the subjective nature of that evaluation.

Chapter 12: Pragmatic Religion
Explores the utility of religion; the pros and cons of being religious; whether the benefits of being religious are dependent upon holding supernatural beliefs; and whether the positive benefits of being religious can obligate one to be frum.

Chapter 13: Morality
Briefly look at the argument for morality: the argument that without religion, anything goes; divine vs. natural basis for morality; examines the charge that as religion declines, so does morality; and explorers whether the Torah is in fact moral

Chapter 14: "But How Can You Not Be Frum?!"
Explorers subjective reasons that people feel necessitate being frum, such as the meaningfulness that religion gives to life, the importance of Jewish continuity, and the way in which many people seem to relate to their frumkeit.

Chapter 15: Pascal's Wager
Explores the argument that one should be frum just in case it turns out that frumkeit is the truth.

Chapter 16: Jewish Identity Beyond Orthodoxy
Discusses how being Orthodox is not necessary for a meaningful Jewish identity.

Appendix
Resources for those going OTD / for those with OTD friends and family


18 comments:

  1. I'm always confused when people say its because of "taivos". Like what exactly do people want so much they're leaving their community and straining their relationship with religious relatives? Pork? Shrimp? Not having to pray with a minyan? Do they think people who go OTD are having tons of orgies or something?

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    1. It's been over ten years, and I'm still waiting for my invitation to the OTD orgies.

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    2. To paraphrase and completely misrepresent my 9th grade teacher Rebetzin Eidelman's quotation of Sarah Schenirer: They're orgies of the mind.

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  2. In this context, taivos is almost always used as a euphemism for sex.

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  3. Unrelated.

    I wish you'd take a look at an article published 3 days ago that goes to the very heart of the material you deal with in your latest book on the Kuzari Argument.

    https://www.aish.com/jw/s/The-Jewish-Peoples-Blockchain-and-the-Accuracy-of-the-Torah.html

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    3. There is strong internal evidence that the whole Torah is most likely not from Mosaic period. So even if the Midrash story is true, the Torah put into the Ark is most likely not the same as Torah we have today.

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    5. The Kuzari argument is full of holes. I explore many of them at my blog. Start http://altercockerjewishatheist.blogspot.com/2013/07/kuzari-principle-or-argument-part-i_24.html BTW I am still waiting for a response from Rabbi Gottlieb regarding my critique of his Kuzari argument - specifically the Miracle of the Sun. I am pretty sure he is aware of my refute of his position bu he has not responded. Why is that ? see http://altercockerjewishatheist.blogspot.com/2019/03/kuzari-argument-part-22-or-miracle-of.html

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    6. Alter Cocker Jewish Atheist has left a new comment on the post "The Off-Road View":

      Per article "The blockchain has been a foundation of Judaism from the time of Moses. The Midrash teaches:

      Once Moshe knew that he was going to die that day, what did he do? Rabbi Yannai says: He wrote thirteen Torah Scrolls – twelve for each of the twelve tribes, and one that he placed in the Ark. For if someone should come and attempt to forge something, they would find the original in the Ark (Midrash Rabba, Deuteronomy, 9:9)." What evidence is there that the Midrash story is true ? What if the Midrash story is just made up pious fraud or for some other reason ?

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    7. your presentation of RG etc onthese posts that you are linking are very jumbled, and it is not at all clear if these are snippets of various dialogues, since there is no continuity there
      not surprising you are not allowing comments either.

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    8. @Ben Mikra - I suggest reading or at least skimming all my Kuzari posts in order I wrote them. There should be links between them. Then read RG's critique - I provide the link in one of my posts. Then come back and read my response to RG. I appreciated our prior discussion regarding Prophecy and if you desire clarification on any of my Kuzari posts - I think 2ndson will allow us to discuss here. Best Wishes.

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  4. I think it is important not to view frum in Isolation, as if they are really really different than believers in other cults/religions. Much of frum rhetoric and apologetics is found in other religions. Much of the OTD exeprience is found when people go "OTD" from whatever cult/religion they have been born into or joined.

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  5. In Chapter 6 you mention LGBT issues, but nowhere do you address gender in and of itself, ie the misogynistic nature of orthodoxy. As in, why would any female choose to be subjugated in the way that orthodoxy does, and the gaslighting involved in convincing women that they are not being subjugated. Not sure that chapter 6 is the right location, but if LGBT issues are being covered there, women’s issues might fit there nicely.

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    1. I plan to give women's role in OJ a full treatment in a later book. I think you're right, though, that I need to at least mention it here.

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  6. " Chapter 4: Who Are You To Question?!"

    This is a problem not just for OTD, but for BT, and frum.it is also a form of brainwashing/ gaslighting that they use even in yeshivas or any contact with Rabbis who give "classes" or purprot to give answers to questions.

    The variation is "who are you to think logically!" Any logical statement that questions the assumptions of beliefs of the rabbis is met with this kind of response.

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