Thursday, April 2, 2020

The “You Owe Me Money” Test


I would like to propose what I’m going to call the “you owe me money” test. It's a test for arguments for religion that can help us decide if they're worth serious consideration. It's very simple. If you would take the argument seriously if someone made it for you owing them money, then it deserves consideration as an argument for religion. If you would not take it seriously if someone used it as an argument for you owing them money, then it doesn't deserve consideration as an argument for religion.

In this test, “money” stands in for “belief in and/or obligation to” a religion.

Let's look at some examples.

Last Thursdayism
Argument for religion:
The world is really only 6000 years old and not as old as it looks. God made the world look older than it is, and implanted false memories of a history going back thousands of years before He created the world.
The mabul really happened, was really a devastating worldwide flood, and God planted evidence of uninterrupted civilizations and implanted false memories of those civilizations in people's heads.

You owe me money:
I know you don't remember owing me anything, but that's because you've had false memories implanted in your head. Not just you, but everybody (except for me).
Would you pay me if I made that argument?

Prayer
Argument for religion:
You owe gratitude to God because He always answers your prayers. Sometimes He answers yes, and He makes things work out so that you get what you want. Sometimes He answers no or not now, and so you don't get what you ask for. But He's always listening and always gives you the answer that He knows is best for you.

You owe me money:
You need to pay me for my request-fulfilment service. Whenever you ask for something, or wish for something really hard, I hear, and I always answer you. Sometimes I answer yes, and I arrange things behind the scenes so that things work out and you get what you want. Sometimes, I know that you what you’re asking for isn't good for you, so I answer no, and you don't get what you want. But I’m always listening and I always give you the answer that I know what's best for you. So you need to pay me my service fee.
Would you pay me if I made that argument?

And so on.

6 comments:

  1. Neither of those are arguments for religion

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    1. For elements of relgion.

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    2. I don't understand what you're saying. These are answers to objections against religion, no one claims they are arguments for religion by themselves.

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    3. Actually, a lot of Orthodox arguments are structured like the above arguments.

      Another one is that the Torah tells us to give 10% of of our crops to the priests/levites. Now the Pharisees waged war with the Priests (Sadducees) of the time, so the real Priests are no longer around. They claim to have the same status as the Levites/Kohanim, and that we owe them 10% of our income. (even though they fought and destoyed the priesthood in the last days of the Temple).

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  2. There is no way known to man that a worms can morph into humans and the fossil evidence indicates sudden drastic changes not gradual improvement, however if worms did indeed turn into people over the past 300 million years you owe me money.

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  3. This is a very good argument.
    There were floods even in America as the glaciers melted. Did this destroy the native civilizations? It appears not. They've been there for around 30000 years.
    You owe me money that's exactly what happens when people become frum they start financing yeshivas.

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